Im happy to let people know what led me to the place where I currently stand. English-speaking Chaplain . If interested, you can contact her at 612-450-0273 or [email protected]. Louie February 22, 2023 Blog Post No Comments. Well, I suppose I am one of them, then though I would characterize myself as more than prefer since I exclusively attend the TLM (save for an occasional Melkite liturgy, I suppose), either through an Ecclesia Dei society or diocesan priest, depending on where I am. No I didnt. http://archives.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/1974_declaration_of_archbishop_lefebvre.htm, A really good film about todays saint St Joseph of Cupertino well worth a watch In justice it should be known. Where are the readers of this blog who have had enough of this detraction and gossip? I know that you ask in sincerity, Ive read you for some time & admire you. More like battle weary at times while being good soldiers of Christ. Springdale, AR Voris has so applied his intellect. I hope thats OK. For example, I dont think that grasping issues, as you put it, Alarico is at all key or even important. Church. And we must distinguish between the two. since the doctrinal declaration of april 15th 2012 to rome made public easter 2013 priests and bishop wiiiamson saw that the society was changing its direction that archbishop lefebre had founded. This is part of a much longer and laborious dissertation on obedience that has all the markings of an Epistle from Terry Carroll to Ferndale. In allowing myself and others to comment even though louie most probably disagrees with certain things (speaking for myself) shows that louie has great charity and isnt controlled by anyone. Presumably because (generally speaking) the FSSP priests avoid directly criticizing the dangers inherent in the new Mass and the Council (as Voris once did) as well as the words and deeds of the pope. Allentown, PA With only a vague sense of her origins and history, and an anemic experience with the institutional aspect of the Church, many Catholics indeed tend to view the Church as a sum of commands and rules, imposing a morality that they find outdated or even impossible. Edmund Campion dressed up as a jeweler to avoid arrest. This is at the 4 minute mark in the video. (Remember, divine mercy had been condemned 3 times.) I had already decided (in agreement with you) to stay away from CMTV and T. Marshall. The state police had executed a search warrant that day at the parish and arrested Father Jackson after determining that he was the owner of large amounts of child sex abuse material found on an external hard drive in an office area near his bedroom, an affidavit states. 09:00am Holy Mass - Extraordinary Form*. Mr. Matt also says that St. Are they abandoning it if they fail to adopt the same posture as the SSPX? As you say, hopefully someday he will be humble enough to admit his error. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. Thank you for your kind response which I believe to be as sincere as my question. Oklahoma City, OK I saw how they themselves maintained true & loyal friendships (which I happen to know continue to this day,) with fellow Catholics who were at odds with them w/regard to these matters. If Terry Carroll was just another CMTV premium member with an axe to grind, would Michael Voris have done this same about face? All in mortal sin? Post navigation I love the Saint so much. You have entered an incorrect email address! Fr. It is also with the Bishops who do the ordinations for the FSSP. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. Liturgical Guides to the Seasons Dayton, OH But then again, Sister Lucia warned us; didnt she-? It comes through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts. Minneapolis, MN Fr. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Montreal, QC And this goes unchallenged! Subjectively, the pope will recognize their jurisdiction at that point. http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/truth-about-the-sspx-mc-similar-groups/#.VfzYaN9VhBc. This is a combox, we are commenters. Thank you for discussing it. I dont follow Mr. Voris. No, Cardinal Castrillon de Hoyos said as much with respect to the SSPX when he said: We are not confronted with a heresy. In this, Michael Voris protests too much. The FSSP superiors have already been notified: http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fr.-john-emerson-fssp-on-his-break-from-the-sspx Will the FSSP leaders act? Not good enough for some here. First and foremost, however, one must be willing to take a good hard look at the conciliar texts and the new Mass and apply ones intellect as informed by faith. Saskatoon, SK Heck, they dont even tell every person they meet to avoid the Novus Ordo! If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. Increasingly, Voriss obsession (which apparently is driven in some way by his backers, Mr. Carroll and Fr. One single Traditional Catholic College in the whole United States operating with the approval of the local ordinary was just too much to ask. In real life, the sounds I hear are absolutely luscious and absolutely glorious. Schedule is subject to changes. For this reason Catholics must be wary of them. Ill leave it to you to decide if the jihadist with the cash in hand played a part in influencing Voris to reinvent himself. I cant believe it! In the early days of the Novus Ordo priests and some Bishops understood that they had to give that scandal in order to protect souls from sliding into heresy and losing the Faith. What I am not getting into is the subjective faith and morals of the Priests of the FSSP and the laymen who attend their parishes. There is a growth in insight into the realities and words that are being passed on. I like Rad Trad would like to say more but in Justice I can not. That neighbor would include jews, mohammedans, shintoists, hindus, etc. Views and opinions expressed in the Missive are solely the writers and do not necessarily reflect those of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. Joliet, IL Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Even the Drumm narrative at the link admits that much just as it concedes that they really did make some bad hiring decisions. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. Wolfes earlier talks (2003-2006) on audio sancto. Charity is not spelled luv. Phoenix, AZ One of the greatest problems facing Catholics who are trying to understand the crisis is a lack of distinctions and a lack of proper definitions. God bless you. I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. Walker) will be the pastor. Ad majorem Dei gloriam. marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. They do not understand epikeia at all it seems to me. May Our Lord reward you for your great defense of the Faith and holy priests, EVERYWHERE!! Philip Wolfe, FSSP. your above comments are quite smug and patronizing. Barbara, You do not have to rehash your reasons why you hate Mr. Matts opinion as I just re-read your words and the responders here on this link: Heres the truth: The SSPX refuses to sign a statement saying the Vatican II is an integral part of the tradition of the Church. It is this to which they refuse to submit, not the legitimate authority of the pope. To spread this kind of crap (totally unsubstantiated) around for thousands to read is sinful. The war is here where will the FSSP stand? Indeed we are often victims of true prejudice-marginalized as lunatics, bazaare, on the fringe or fringe groups, etc. Faith must begin in Him, for faith is a meeting of two personalities Christ and me. Confraternity of St. Peter Placed on leave in 11/18 after a man reported to the diocese 9/26 that Bouchard sexually abused him as a boy, ages 9-11. Although not everything on this site can be trusted, the site does a good job with this supposed visionary. As , albeit indirectly, pointed out in a discussion with my2cents below, trads have 2 things in common: they love the so called latin mass & they revile sedevacantists. Voris and Fisher more college are just the latest in a long line of horrors. Go back to them. Father has done a 180 degree turn since his days in Kansas City, where I also was. Gerard Saguto FSSP has been named priest administrator. I think it sometimes gives them scruples. Mine is no1. Saguto FSSP on Saturday, October 7, 2017. In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. I give you credit. When Pope John Paul II had the Assisi meeting Archbishop Lefebvre pleaded with the good Cardinals like Siri and Oddi to make a public protest to defend the honor of the Church. Lets be clear these men (again, including the pope) are not synonymous with the Church; rather, they are, objectively speaking, laboring for her destruction. Yes, I feel certain that this unfortunate behavior comes from both sides of the aisle (so to speak). All of us have a duties as Catholics. Saguto, FSSP in the recording. If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. Post Falls, ID No wonder then, that at the beginning of the liturgical year the Church employs the imperative Excita Stir up! The fact that he has since set up an FSSP parish doesnt really fully redress that injustice, to my mind. These are the signs of an unstable mind. I do get it that your comment here was not meant to be an intensive treatise. We start to get sloppy; our fallen tendency to search out the path of least resistance becomes more insistent. IMHO that, along with Verrecchios exhilarating writing style make this site what is-a meeting place to ignite the thinking process. I do not understand the connection and would like to understand. All in all, the time table laid out herein is accurate. Louie does a fine job of using his layman status in the correct way, although he steps over the line on occasion. Saguto, FSSP is the District Superior for the North American District of the Fraternity of St. Peter, and gives retreats, conferences, and days of reflection across the country. I wouldnt be half surprised if he granted faculties to the Dali Lamma. While the subjective options of Priests and the subjective problems of are friends are real and important the real questions are one of doctrine,principle and new mass. The Bishop did not stop Nicholson. He is in control, and our fidelity in things both small and large is what obtains for us the supernatural insights into His very life and designs. I will look at the link of this man who was dead. Please keep all those involved in this situation in your prayers.. You are supporting evil. Kansas City/Westwood, KS Priest: Fr Gerard Saguto FSSP. God bless. It has been mine too, coming in from the opposite direction, if you will. But, respectfully, I cannot agree that the FSSP has abandoned Christ through their current status. Baltimore, MD The FSSP parish runs a school and the local diocese enforces a policy that all adults who work with children must have a criminal background check and fingerprint search. On its face, this isnt a difficult distinction to comprehend, but the reason so many find it difficult is very simple: As Catholics we are wired to follow our leaders, especially the pope, just as a child is wired to trust its mother. Saguto for his work as District Superior of North America since 2015. But the new campus lease turned out not to be sustainable, either, just a reprieve in execution of sentence, and it is astonishing to me that he thought it could be otherwise. To suggest in such a snide, sarcastic, evil way that these two movements by the FSSP are in any way related to the controversy here or on Church Militant is beyond the pale. That should be past tense, i.e. every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass. A few years ago, there was a large national media initiative to reach out to lapsed Catholics called Catholics Come Home. John 10:11], http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1870-will-you-die-for-him-a-sermon-on-the-eve-of-persecution-in-america, (3) SSPX now that it is wanting to be in full communion w/heretics is pretty silent itself. Take a trip over to Novus Ordo Watch to learn about the actual truth of things, not watered down, but assuming those with a genuine sense of the faith will be given the grace to handle it. Atlanta, GA Providence, RI Also, the cardinal mentioned Fr. Calgary, AB Will the FSSP issue a public statement rebuking Voris and CMTV? All it takes for evil to happen is for good people to do nothing but keep walkin along w/Pope Francis. Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! Not even one? Sacred Heart Church Location: 1020 Capitol Ave - Fort Wayne, IN 46806 Mass Time: Sun 11:30 am Phone number: (219) 744-2519 Priest: Fr Daniel Leeuw Hence the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.. The SSPX is not and never has been in schism. Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. I applaud that. Their website didnt say where he was going. That a priest who knows that Peter has forbidden him from offering the Sacrifice of the Mass would be so presumptive as to thumb his nose at the Vicar of Christ and say his superiors have given him permission is terrifying terrifying for the soul of that priest. We are blessed to be able to host Fr. You said it much better than I. I was immediately attacked when I posted a response. Lincoln, NE The recovery from this disaster will be a century long. It must be pointed out that validity is not the central issue. Barbara, Michael can have his shtick back when he stops using it to attempt to squash faithful Catholics who attend the SSPX. Anyone who reads Louies blog should, by now, have developed an awareness of the dismal state of affairs in the Church. I think Novus Ordo Traditionalists, in my opinion are generally of goodwill, but actually end up causing scandal through false obedience. They are not coming out with press releases, video responses and challenges, threats to sue, etc. Both Verrecchio and Voris are about exactly my age born at the tail end of the American baby boomers and although not a bit as courageous or knowledgeable in the faith as them, I really commiserate with both their stories. http://youtu.be/S_vwwajyASI. Fraternity Publications We hold that the religion borne of VII is not the Catholic religion, but a non-Catholic Sect, of which Bergoglio is now the head. The upcoming Synod will be a real evil. (I also think Drumms defense of the Dudley affair is unpersuasive. +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . Lets revisit what Voris (and Fr. Little Rock, AR Tacoma, WA Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. than we do. Why all the differences in opinion here ??. Wolfe was not the pastor at Mater Dei, but rather the Parochial Vicar and Assistant Pastor; a man who Mr. Carroll clearly idolized. Had Fisher More College been allowed to stand or fall on its own management and merits (rather than pushed by actors within and out) we might have seen a the start of a formal, independent, institutionalized meeting ground between the SSPX and sundry other traditionally inclined priests and priestly orders. http://youtu.be/eXxOLNRBdXw. Who do you say that I am? Do they care? Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. FSSP pastors are . I found it on the New Liturgical Movement website. Lastly it is with Father Paul Nicholson, Father Nicholsons Bishop and opus dei. Member of the traditionalist Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. Father Wolfe FSSP is the Priest the sermon is linked at the end of this blog: The college (despite having some good faculty and staff) was on track to die either way, and that cannot be laid all at the feet of the bishop, or the FSSP at Mater Dei. No they did not. Montreal, QC Catholics are STILL watching and waiting. In charity, I pray that every Catholic should be as blessed. Where to begin? Use those words. But if the situation is such that no connection whatsoever with the rest of the Church can be justified, then what you really have to be advocating is full-blown sedevacantism. I say that sincerely, recognizing my own faults and shortcomings which may have led to giving this false impression. Surely not all folks who are waking to the reality of the Counterfeit Church assume those who have already woken up are ipso facto smug? Omaha, NE Indeed, contrary to what some may hear about us, we sedevacantists in reality live amidst other Catholics in peace & gracious commaraderie. Thomas Paprocki. Thanks to their refusal to travel with so many others in the direction of heterodoxy on a road that is paved with the ambiguities and errors of Vatican II and the protestantized rite that grew out of it, the sinful men running the show in Rome, the pope included, are seeing to it that the SSPX is denied formal jurisdiction. I absolutely have always loved this film. Vancouver, BC Bergoglio [as he likes to call himself] doesnt understand Tradition. LiveMass.Net We are truly living in a period of disorientation. If left unchecked, we find ourselves in a rut where it seems we are just spinning the wheels; meaning about things that should be important gets confused, or even lost, and a frustration with life begins to set in. They dont a one-size-fits-all approach to this topic. dear salvemur, 1:00pm Keynote Speaker - Dr. Robert Loretz. Louie will never bore a reader, guaranteed. Los Angeles, CA This cannot become ho-hum, but we know there is always a danger of that, or getting stuck in a rut. For anyone who wishes to gain knowledge on the position, the information is out there. Thats Mr. V.s job. I think they wanted an experienced priest to help Fr. Since the fruits got worse and worse he understood that he needed to protect souls and to warn them about the dangers to their Faith. Denton, NE (Seminary) hi, scott, Colorado Springs, CO Im surprised to see terminology used here. The error can be found in document ecclesia dei in 1988 and was made more clear in 2003 with the FSSP constitutions. The glad tidings of Christmas should be obvious to anyone who believes. Meaning the official constitutions and public documents between Rome & the FSSP. There is, in any event, no SSPX or sedevacantist chapel within easy driving distance of me even if I wanted to go. The Church is a home, and that is because it begins with a Person, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man. But they are for the most part Catholic. Pequannock, NJ I am an FSSP parishioner who travels a lot. What went on at Fisher Moore College is not known. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA. Christendom College will see three of its alumni ordained as priests this summer. The obituary was featured in Newsday on June 14, 2009. Quincy, IL God. Holy Trinity Location: 219 N.W. A couple of years ago, I heard a solid Catholic treatment of the Holy Trinity which, in a side note, mentioned that as wonderful as this film is, the part in which the saint explains the Trinity must be ignored. Tags: Catholic Extraordinary Form, FSSP, Tridentine Mass They do beleive a pope can be a formal herectic and maintain his postion as pope , the new mass is valid all priests are considered vailidy ordained and the bishops in the new rite are fine aswell. There is a schismatic attitude in the fact of consecrating bishops without pontifical mandate. Either way . http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/09/is-fsppx-going-to-celebrate-jubilee-of.html. Lastly, my contact confirmed that indeed something in 2012 caused Fr. I dont know what changed his mind regarding the SSPX, but whatever or whomever it is has him hooked good. A home then is not a sum of commands or rules given by a father or mother. The Society is not in an irregular canonical status that is a made-up term by SSPX supporters. INTROIT "Gaudeamus" Score Sung without organ accompaniment by men only Conductor: Jeff Ostrowski To access the rehearsal files, go HEREand scroll down to 31 May. Most noteworthy here is his utterly preposterous assertion that the SSPX came about in response to some amorphous weakening of the Church.. Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. If I do, in fact, belong to an exclusive club, I would hope it would be as a Catholic faithful who adheres to the unchanging tenets of the Catholic Church as Christ established it. This means that love is the basis of being a member of the Church, as it is supposed to be the basis of being a member of a home. Saguto FSSP arrives in Seattle the week of October 1st and will begin offering Mass at St. Joseph Chapel (located in the Josephinum) until a more permanent location is found. Louie, your excellent blog is being hijacked. The Radical Catholic blog has confirmed from CMTV that Voris and CMTV plagiarized the sermon of a Priest of the FSSP in his attack on the SSPX. Saguto for a series of conferences over three days, beginning Thursday, August 11th through Saturday, August 13th. King and Drumm seemed to want it both ways. When making comments please consider that there is a tsunami of baptized Catholics following us who dont have the foggiest idea of what is going on in the Church, and that popular blogs no matter what their angle may be the platform they have to grasp the issues. But when we try to support one when it does emerge, we have to be clear in holding them up to high standards of governance. But thats definitely not the position of the SSPX. And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth. This definition of Tradition is what the FSSP publicly holds as a condition of being received into new church. Sedevacantist bishops & priests interract with other Catholics, be they SSPX, those who are in diocesan life, etc. A great film and you posted it on St. Joseph of Cupertinos feast day! As for Michael Voris, I dont watch or follow him in any way. I think that for piety, for love of Our Lord, and for love of the Holy Father (no matter how bad he is), we ought to publicly resist his errors based on the previous Popes throughout history. Fr. There are those whod love to discredit stories like yours, bc of their own prejudices & preferences while at the same time having a holier than though attitude that would put a Holy Roller Southern Baptist to shame. While a routine and discipline are important (assuming these has been achieved in some measure), mindless routine and lack of discipline prey upon the vitality we, deep down, sense the Faith should inspire. The root of this schismatic act can be discerned in an incomplete and contradictory notion of Tradition. 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